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4:26 am January 9, 2010
| Mark G
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For sale a pair of Continental Competition 700 x 22 tubular tyres grey tread with blue side walls. Max inflation 170PSI. These are brand new unused.
£40 for the pair
Contact Mark Grange
markg280@hotmail.com
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8:38 am January 9, 2010
| Jeff Francis
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In your opinion is there a noticeable difference and advantage to using tubs
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9:02 am January 9, 2010
| matthew
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Hello Mark.
Are the tyres these: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycl…..300002801/
if so, can I buy them off you?
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10:40 am January 9, 2010
| Dan Joyce
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Tubulars used to be faster than clinchers. Nowadays the better quality clinchers have caught up. However, if you're buying aero wheels - especially secondhand - it's generally cheaper to get tubular versions. They're easier to make - the tyre sits ON the rim rather than in it.
I reckon the best clinchers - e.g. Continental Supersonic - used with latex innertubes are as fast as all but the very best tubs. Maybe faster. When I tested Supersonics against Continental's own Podium tubulars (racy tubs but not the fastest), the Supersonics were definitely faster.
That said, there's not a huge amount in it. If you're using normal spoked wheels, I'd recommend clinchers. If you're using aero wheels, whatever the wheels require.
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1:11 pm January 9, 2010
| Mark G
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Hi Matthew. Yes thats them however I bought these about 18 months ago so not sure if they have changed slightly so let me know if you still want them? I am in Malton on Tuesday most of the day so not sure if you are in apostion to collect then if you want them?
Thanks
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2:14 pm January 9, 2010
| matthew
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That would be okay. You could pop into where I work 8 til 5:15 NEACO, Norton Grove Ind Est - YO17 9HQ
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2:29 pm January 9, 2010
| Mark G
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3:05 pm January 10, 2010
| Jeff Francis
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To continue the thread, do deep rims make a difference, can any body say they notice a difference with bladed spokes or is the lightest wheel the better option to go for.
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3:49 pm January 10, 2010
| Mark G
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Regarding wheels several factors are important: weight, stiffness and aerodynamic drag.
Also for time trialling it will depend on the course so hilly the route more relevant weight will be. Here are some stats from wind tunnel tests with the drag in grams:
These were tested for front wheels if these were back wheels tests then this would be about 60% of the drag results - just in case you wondered why the wheels were so light!
1st place is the disc wheel with rotating average of 105- 114 weight of the wheels 1,050g to 1,110g (some of the faster wheels are heavier)
2nd place 3 spoke composite wheel average 0f 106 -129 weight of the wheels 720g to 1,330g
3rd place 4 spoke composite wheel 131 - weight 1,590g
4th place 24 aero spokes with aero rim 147grams weight of wheel 770g
5th place 18 aero spokes with aero rim 149 grams weight of wheel 680g
6th place 28 oval spokes with aero rim 175 grams weight 780g.
7th place 36 round spokes standard rim 238 grams weight 960g
So you can see that weight has very little bearing on these tests but this does not take into account that you have to pedal the bike!
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3:55 pm January 10, 2010
| Tommo
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You have to go fast enough to make them work - otherwise the lighter wheels will be better.
(20mph min average - 25mph or above better. i.e. TT'in)
Deep rims tend to come with bladed spokes as that is the idea (aero) so no test data to go on. Minimal difference, but all helps.
Lighter wheels are good for hilly routes but some do have a weight limit for the rider i.e. Super light wheels no good for heavier riders.
It really depends on how much wad you've to spend and what you want to do with them.
If you have enough you can get both super light weight and aero deep rims as well. (Zipp 303 - 1182g a pair - 44mm deep - £1300)

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4:16 pm January 10, 2010
| Tommo
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4th place 24 aero spokes with aero rim 147grams weight of wheel 770g
5th place 18 aero spokes with aero rim 149 grams weight of wheel 680g
How deep are these wheels ?????
Was this all 'head on' or with different yaw angles ?????
(Zipp 808 16 aero spokes = 51g at 10° up to a max of 150g at 20°)
Also for time trialling it will depend on the course so hilly the route more relevant weight will be.
True enough, but also course's with loads of turns/corners/roundabouts etc light weight wheels spin up far faster and this I thought was more relevant for me than the hills which are never that long out of the whole TT anyway. Just a thought.

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5:10 pm January 10, 2010
| Dan Joyce
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Tommo said:
You have to go fast enough to make them work - otherwise the lighter wheels will be better.
Well yes, but if we're talking about time trialling, aerodynamics are much more important than weight. Lighter wheels are only better if you're accelerating, riding uphill and/or riding pretty slowly. Chris Boardman won the National Hill Climb with a disc wheel.
I would have thought that a slower time triallist (e.g. 20mph average) will actually save MORE time using a disc wheel than a fast (28mph) time triallist will. (The faster rider might make better efficiency gains, but he's further up the J curve and fighting an inverse cube law to go any faster.)
In short, Jeff, deep rims do make a difference. Get a deep section front first. And put an 18 or 19mm tyre on it rather than a 23mm.
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